HV Personality - Yoritomo Yoyonagi XP

Bryan Reese wrote:

Komori Kenshiro wrote:

	Bryan Reese wrote:
	(though I would actually keep her as-is even if I could go back).

This statement makes me a sad Panda.

I echo everything Kilian's said (Except the part about loving Budoka :P ).

Just for reference, I was referring to her gold cost. Even if I could change it to 8 I wouldn't. If that still makes you a sad Panda then I guess I am a sad Panda maker. Smile

I think we would all agree the style trait of *Imperial* would be worth the one disputed gold.

Maybe get an errata adding that to her and we call it even and the pandas can smile?

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	Bryan Reese wrote:
	Just for reference, I was referring to her gold cost. Even if I could change it to 8 I wouldn't. If that still makes you a sad Panda then I guess I am a sad Panda maker.

Just the blanket statement that you wouldn't change her even in retrospect is what makes me a sad Panda. As the gold cost (in relation to other aspects of the card) is my primary, though in regards to your post as a whole, not sole disappointment you are indeed a Sad Panda maker... I'm informing the World Wildlife Fund and PETA. :P

Like Kilian said she's basically a unique clone of a non-unique we didn't even use in Gold Edition... you remember Gold Edition, the set where even the worst Clan was at least twice as good as Mantis. SE Mantis design is looking far too close to Gold Edition Mantis design for my comfort. Although thankfully it's not that bad (At least not yet).

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	Komori Kenshiro wrote:
	Like Kilian said she's basically a unique clone of a non-unique we didn't even use in Gold Edition..

'sez you. I had a playset of her in my deck back then, and used it all the time.

PMAvers wrote:

	Komori Kenshiro wrote:
	Like Kilian said she's basically a unique clone of a non-unique we didn't even use in Gold Edition..

'sez you. I had a playset of her in my deck back then, and used it all the time.

So did I, but I shouldn't have. I was just alot worse at the game back then.

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	PMAvers wrote:
	'sez you. I had a playset of her in my deck back then, and used it all the time.

I had a playset too, I just lovingly admired it in my binder since I love the character and I'm fond of beet artwork (A shame he doesn't do L5R art anymore). Say what you will about her card power she always gets lovely artwork.

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I've been thinking over what you said killian, and I think you aren't entirely incorrect. Her stat line and ability does lend itself to her cost, considering the naval send home on both the attack and defense. The problem is, she doesn't need to have the shugenja trait, functionally. The trait is more or less useless on her in fact. For the most part, spells and kihos require her to be in battle, and she sends herself home. We're paying for a good trait, that we get no significant use from. This would be fine if our shugenja lineup was such that we could cover for it, but she doesn't fill in the big force gap we experience with our shugenja.

If she stayed at the battle, we'd get shugenja useage, but then she wouldn't be as useful from an ability standpoint.

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Yoritomo_Buntaro wrote:

I've been thinking over what you said killian, and I think you aren't entirely incorrect. Her stat line and ability does lend itself to her cost, considering the naval send home on both the attack and defense. The problem is, she doesn't need to have the shugenja trait, functionally. The trait is more or less useless on her in fact. For the most part, spells and kihos require her to be in battle, and she sends herself home. We're paying for a good trait, that we get no significant use from. This would be fine if our shugenja lineup was such that we could cover for it, but she doesn't fill in the big force gap we experience with our shugenja.

If she stayed at the battle, we'd get shugenja useage, but then she wouldn't be as useful from an ability standpoint.

Purge the Weak.

Yoritomo_Buntaro wrote:

I've been thinking over what you said killian, and I think you aren't entirely incorrect. Her stat line and ability does lend itself to her cost, considering the naval send home on both the attack and defense. The problem is, she doesn't need to have the shugenja trait, functionally. The trait is more or less useless on her in fact. For the most part, spells and kihos require her to be in battle, and she sends herself home. We're paying for a good trait, that we get no significant use from. This would be fine if our shugenja lineup was such that we could cover for it, but she doesn't fill in the big force gap we experience with our shugenja.

If she stayed at the battle, we'd get shugenja useage, but then she wouldn't be as useful from an ability standpoint.

So what you're saying is she's costed correctly but she's not worth it? I would say she's not costed correctly then.

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The thing is, the problem isn't even really with her.

If the rest of our shugenja lineup was better, then we could run spells. If we could run spells then she would be fine as a unique (except that she sends herself home)... but I'm sure we could find something for her to do spell-wise before she uses her ability. Sure, she'd be a huge "hit me" target, but her being a courtier thereby allowing misdirection, would help that problem.

The problem is our shugenja are plaqued with too low force, and or lack of element traits.

I'm sure this is to stop us from being better than p-nix in the magics, but if we could find some reliable way to take provinces with our 2 and 3f shugenja, then yoyonagi would be number one in my lineup.

Considering what options we have currently...

At 8 cost, printed as she is she would be too good.
At 9 cost, printed as she is she is terrible.

A prime example of this kind of overcosting is how I don't run okame exp in my naval magistrate deck.

As a footnote to that..., nobumoto exp DOES make it.

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	Yoritomo_Buntaro wrote:
	The problem is our shugenja are plaqued with too low force, and or lack of element traits. I'm sure this is to stop us from being better than p-nix in the magics, but if we could find some reliable way to take provinces with our 2 and 3f shugenja, then yoyonagi would be number one in my lineup.

Precision bombing tech is promising. With Water shugenjas and scouts, we have access to mobility. The trick would be to move a unit to a province unopposed and drop followers there.

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Yoritomo_Buntaro wrote:

The thing is, the problem isn't even really with her.

If the rest of our shugenja lineup was better, then we could run spells. If we could run spells then she would be fine as a unique (except that she sends herself home)... but I'm sure we could find something for her to do spell-wise before she uses her ability. Sure, she'd be a huge "hit me" target, but her being a courtier thereby allowing misdirection, would help that problem.

The problem is our shugenja are plaqued with too low force, and or lack of element traits.

I'm sure this is to stop us from being better than p-nix in the magics, but if we could find some reliable way to take provinces with our 2 and 3f shugenja, then yoyonagi would be number one in my lineup.

Considering what options we have currently...

At 8 cost, printed as she is she would be too good.
At 9 cost, printed as she is she is terrible.

A prime example of this kind of overcosting is how I don't run okame exp in my naval magistrate deck.

As a footnote to that..., nobumoto exp DOES make it.

Except she wouldn't be too good at 8g at all. Hell, she'd just be okay at 7g.

Our shugnejas are actually pretty great for military purposes compared to most Phoenix shugenja, and EHP is the best spell box in the game. The problem is that spells suck. Design is absolutly paranoid about making spells too good.

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	Kilian wrote:
	Design is absolutly paranoid about making spells too good.

Reminds me Kuros Fire Rolling Eyes

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Call me easily convinced, but I still think she is overcosted.

Bottom line is we don't have a deck that can use her. She makes nor brakes anything for me.

Our shugenjas don't fit in a deck, our courtiers don't fit in a deck, this high cost hybrid certainly doesn't fit either.

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Gosse Crew Pirate * Naval * Friend of Buntaro * AKA Quietcorn

I did a keyword search on Legendary and there are no action cards involving the Poet trait in Honor's Veil.

Anyone have guesses why Yoyonagi has this trait?

I also noticed there's historian, actor, mountaineer, but no actions that key off those words. . .

I managed to get a Yoyonagi in my first booster pack, she's going into my deck since I use some spells in my deck(euiko).

	Wakari Masen wrote:
	I did a keyword search on Legendary and there are no action cards involving the Poet trait in Honor's Veil. Anyone have guesses why Yoyonagi has this trait? I also noticed there's historian, actor, mountaineer, but no actions that key off those words. . . I managed to get a Yoyonagi in my first booster pack, she's going into my deck since I use some spells in my deck(euiko).

Ah, it reminds me back in the early days of L5R when they used a whole lot of useless traits. Like Wily Trader, Acoylte of [Element], and the ilk.
Though, there are a couple (maybe only 1) cards that play off the Mountaineer trait that I vaguely recall.

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